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Re: Albanian National Team [General topic]

by Plako » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:37 pm

Simboli i Diellit wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:53 am
Kukesi was build on match-fixing aswell but only to fill his own needs . The key-match that promoted Kukesi to superliga was the one played in Lezhe. Our team was winning 3:0 at the end of the first half . Our presidents forces the coach to sub out 3 key players subbing in his loyalists and at the begining of the second half we had only 9 players in the field . The three players subbed out (two serbs and a brasilian ) plus the two homegrown talents who refused to enter the field were protesting outside the stadium with over 6 thousand fans screaming “E Shiten, e Shiten!....”

That was a blatant case where the Public persecutor and the law should’ve interveened and the Ndoka mafia clan that has held Beselidhja hostage during the last decade should’ve been destroyed.

Cases like these happen every week in our lower leagues and have happened since back in the late 90’s early 2000s . We have no government and people (fans) obviously don’t care that much to stop matches from being played by invading stadiums.
The real tragedy of our football is having these garbage teams like Kukesi, Kamza, Laci and Kastrioti in the Superliga, whereas teams like Vllaznia, Dinamo, Elbasani, Besa, Beslidhja and Apollonia languish in the second division. Basically 3 of the 6 largest cities in Albanian do not have first division football.

Re: Albanian National Team [General topic]

by Plako » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:07 pm

ZenMaster wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:19 am
I have some questions about you Plako, i am kosovar fan of Partizani and i don't have a clue what happened in albanian football before 90s. As a fan i will not pretend to be objective in my judgement but some pretensions of Tirona fans sound very irrational and nonsense to me.
Oh boy here goes my favorite essay topic :)

Let me start by saying that there is a section of Tirona fans that are totally delusional and that believe they were the standard bearers for anti-communism in Albania. If there was one club that probably got fucked the most during communism it was Vllaznia imo. This revisionism started very early in the 1990's and took off from there. The cunts also sided with Berisha during the early years and became political in the early 1990's. You have to be a total moron to take the mantle of "fightint communsim" and also join Sali Berisha, who was a PPSH Secretary. I don't disagree that they there was a section of Tirona fans that are Vendalinj Tiranas which hated communism but make no mistake 17-Nentori was the team that was run by the Tirana PPSH Central Committee. Nowadays, Tirona fans are under the illusions that they were fighting communism for those 45 years and try to portray Partizani as the team most favored by the regime, whcih is absolutely not the case.

Now the reason for this "hatred" towards Partizani is threefold:
1. When Partizani was formed the majority of its players came from Tirana's ranks or Tirana locals. Most notable of all was Refik Resmja, who's arguably one of the best footballers ever produced by Albania who had a very successful career with Partizani. He was first recruited by Partizani to do his military service, much like a lot of other players who would prefer to do their mandatory military service playing for Partizani.
2. Partizani went on a successful run and won 10 titles in the 1947-1964 period. During the pre-war period Tirana was used to win every title except for one won by Skenderbeu so they took this fall from grace pretty hard. Post WWII Tirana won its first tile in 1965. Partizani has only won 5 titles since 1964. Listening to Tirona fans bitch and moan about us you'd think we won 50 titles during that period :)
3. Lastly the real reason is because Partizani has absolutely destroyed Tirana on its head to head matchups. Tirana only had a slight edge n the 1980's during its golden years. Historically Tirana used to beat Dinamo, Dinamo used to beat Partizana and Partizani used to beat Tirona. It was the law of the land. Not to mention that Partizani has the biggest fanbase in all of Albania, kinda like Juve does in Italy.

Now on to your questions:
1) Is there any rival clubs left without a training ground by Hoxha's regime or stadium? Can you tell us about wages system? How players were paid and who earned more or less? All teams had their own football training grounds with Partizani in the "21-shi" neighborhood, Tirona at Ali Demi and Dinamo where the Olimpik Park is now. Dinamo had the most modern training ground of all. Wages were the same for all. If there was one thing the commies did was keep everyone on the same level. Where the benefits would rise was in other forms. For example if you played for Dinamo you could gain entry to the Jurisprudence Faculty where the Minister of Interior had a lot of pull. You could get better housing. You could get a permit to buy a TV and other stuff like that that would be hard to come by.
2) How many players were forced to join Partizani and if that's true can you tell us about names? There were a few over the years but make no mistake the backbone of the team came from the Partizani academy. Basically any top player would be recruited by Partizani from the 18-20 to do their mandatory military service but most went back home. Of the top of my head other notable players were Haxhi Ballgjini (Durres), Ferid Rragami (Shkoder), and Lefter Millo (Gjirokaster). There might have been more before the 1980s but it's way before my time. Also Tirana players like Tit Ramadani went back to play for Tirana after finishing his military service.
3) Is there any player who played for Kombetarja or Shpresat because parents or relatives were part of Central Comitte or party structures? Not exactly but there were many players that were left out because of a taint in their "biography", meaning they were deemed unfit by the Party. Skender Halili of Tirana and Vasil Ruci of Flamurtari come to mind.
4) Is there any rival team of Partizani who were relegated because party has decided so? Not to my knowledge If anything Partizani has gotten fucked too many times. There is a reason why Partizani has been runners-up in the first division 22 times. Referees were notoriously anti-Partizani in the 1980's.
5) How is possible every championship won by 17 Nendori was fair and deserved while every championship won by Partizani was decided by party? If everything was decided by Central Commity and Party of Labour why Partizani won only 15 of 45 championships? That's ludicrous to suggest. Yes there was support for Partizani by the armed forces and especially Petrit Dume and Beqir Balluku and they were both executed. You hear about Tirana fans about bitching about some of their players or fans getting unfair treatment when at the same time the Patizani's biggest backers were eliminated physically.
6) How a team named 17 Nendori can be anti-communist? It was Partizani or 17 Nendori banned for 5 years to represent Albania in Europe? If you live in a fantasy land it can be :)
7) I have heard so many times about a Partizani fan Petrit Dume, how many championships was won by Partizani during his era? Well, Petrit Dume and Beqir Balluku, Partizani biggest backers, were both executed by Hoxha in 1975. There is something that a lot of Tirona fans miss during their hysteric anti-communist rants. The Albanian army started slowly to lose any sort of power in 1965 kur me reformat alla Kineze u hoqen gradat nga Ushtria. Disclosure here: My dad served in the Albanian Army for 22 years and I know firsthand how Ushtria and its officers were treated. If you listen to Tirona fans they would equate Ushtria and Ministria e Brendshme (which controlled Dinamo) which was absolutely not the case. There was huge rivalry between the two and mutual hatred.

I wish Berti and Doc could comment on this post as they're the only poster who can chime in about that era. Of course my point of view is biased as a Partizani fan.

Re: Albanian National Team [General topic]

by Simboli i Diellit » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:53 am

ZenMaster wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:08 pm

Every analist called him not just crazy but also worthless coach, maybe because they are in Duka's payroll. Vata has metalic balls and pride because it's not easy to do what he did. Easy way would been to lick ass and become "succesful coach".
Vata is only second grade cousin of mine from my mother’s side but i’ve stoped telling that around since his run against Duka for the FA presidency. Actually out of all albanian ex players he is the only one who has condemed match-fixing and mafia managing our domestic football. Even Tare and Cana spoke out about the phenomenon but they’re way too diplomatic . Players like ex players like Bogdani, Bushi, Bulku, Rraklli and co are part of the system at our FA. Others like Lala , Jupi and co left because obviously what was going on there doesn’t fit with their morale principles. We need a revolution in our FA but that will never come from Bashkim Fino’s of this world . We need someone who cares for the football in Albania and would do sacrifices to put it into the right binaries , he could be only an ex player like Vata, Tare or Cana with moral boudaries. Before reaching that point our Ministry of Sports and the Public Persecutor should investigate all match-fixing that has happened and is going on in Albania. Fans need to know that they aren’t watching some poor theatre out there.

Kukesi was build on match-fixing aswell but only to fill his own needs . The key-match that promoted Kukesi to superliga was the one played in Lezhe. Our team was winning 3:0 at the end of the first half . Our presidents forces the coach to sub out 3 key players subbing in his loyalists and at the begining of the second half we had only 9 players in the field . The three players subbed out (two serbs and a brasilian ) plus the two homegrown talents who refused to enter the field were protesting outside the stadium with over 6 thousand fans screaming “E Shiten, e Shiten!....”

That was a blatant case where the Public persecutor and the law should’ve interveened and the Ndoka mafia clan that has held Beselidhja hostage during the last decade should’ve been destroyed.

Cases like these happen every week in our lower leagues and have happened since back in the late 90’s early 2000s . We have no government and people (fans) obviously don’t care that much to stop matches from being played by invading stadiums.

Re: Albanian National Team [General topic]

by ZenMaster » Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:08 pm

Simboli i Diellit wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:55 pm
At the end of the story Rudi Vata who every analist called out as crazy comes out clean morally.

http://www.panorama.com.al/sport/eksklu ... vllaznise/
Every analist called him not just crazy but also worthless coach, maybe because they are in Duka's payroll. Vata has metalic balls and pride because it's not easy to do what he did. Easy way would been to lick ass and become "succesful coach".

Re: Albanian National Team [General topic]

by Simboli i Diellit » Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:55 pm

At the end of the story Rudi Vata who every analist called out as crazy comes out clean morally.

http://www.panorama.com.al/sport/eksklu ... vllaznise/

Re: Albanian National Team [General topic]

by ZenMaster » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:29 pm

Armir Grima today is arrested as part of criminal gang. Grima was real administrator of Vllaznia, he decided about everything in that club since Fushaj left . Vllaznia for years played for Skenderbeu interests in last 24 matches between them Skenderbeu has won 18, only ONE match ended in draw and 5 matches went in Vllaznia ( 2 of them they won last season) Before Grima arrived as female coach of NT, in his post was Rraklli a guy who is sentenced in Austria as part of match fixing gang.
http://fax.al/read/news/6145584/1306208 ... e-kurdisje
Nobody watches female NT beside players relatives but and this is a good opportunity to make good money without being worried.





p.s I know i am posting in wrong topic but i am doing purposely because indirectly has to do with national team.

Re: Albanian National Team [General topic]

by ZenMaster » Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:19 am

I have some questions about you Plako, i am kosovar fan of Partizani and i don't have a clue what happened in albanian football before 90s. As a fan i will not pretend to be objective in my judgement but some pretensions of Tirona fans sound very irrational and nonsense to me. 1) Is there any rival clubs left without a training ground by Hoxha's regime or stadium? Can you tell us about wages system? How players were paid and who earned more or less? 2) How many players were forced to join Partizani and if that's true can you tell us about names? 3) Is there any player who played for Kombetarja or Shpresat because parents or relatives were part of Central Comitte or party structures? 4) Is there any rival team of Partizani who were relegated because party has decided so?
5) How is possible every championship won by 17 Nendori was fair and deserved while every championship won by Partizani was decided by party? If everything was decided by Central Commity and Party of Labour why Partizani won only 15 of 45 championships? 6) How a team named 17 Nendori can be anti-communist? It was Partizani or 17 Nendori banned for 5 years to represent Albania in Europe? 7) I have heard so many times about a Partizani fan Petrit Dume, how many championships was won by Partizani during his era?

Re: Albanian National Team [General topic]

by Plako » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:09 am

ZenMaster wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:54 am
It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. BetRadar has warned in only three years more than 500+ matches were fixed.There is no serious betting company who offers odds for Kategoria Superiore anymore, in Bet 365 you can bet even Nigeria college competitions but you can't bet on Kategoria Superiore.Austria for years was "heaven" of albanian clubs for pre-season preparations, until austrian prosecutors started to investigate pre-seasonal friendlies. There Skenderbeu was first club who did pre seasonal phase there and lost friendlies in tenistic results. Skenderbeu as project it was presented by Ridvan Bode, Zeqo was named as president( a guy who had a business with Duka). At the time circulated a list of "shareholders" names as Irfan Hysenbelliu,Blendi Fevziu and after some months everyone was gone "without a reason or explonation". Zeqo left and Ardian Takaj took control of club, owner of Tropical complex in which Kombetarja "grumbullohet" regularly and albanian federation paid lot of bills there. When Skenderbeu was suspended for first time, albanian federation keept decision hidden for nearly two months until foreign mediums made the decision public, is unprecedented event in history of football federations. Skenderbeu got convicted by UEFA and automatically Partizani took their place in Champions League. Albanian federation refused to remove titles for Skenderbeu, to make impossible for Partizani getting financial reward from Uefa as Albania champion (inat tipik shqiptar). Kukesi also took Skenderbeu place this year on CHL and they also got nothing, damage is nearly 750K a considerable amount for albanian football clubs. Redi Jupi comments about "trust issues" in albanian football costed him job at albanian federation. There are also hundreds of arguments i didn't included in this post, that display incredicle affinity between albanian federation organs and Skenderbeu. It's simple and clear Skenderbeu was designed by Armando Duka, Takaj is the delegated administrator of this criminal organization who makes millions by fixing matches in european competitons. I am not pretending that there is any albanian club who is not involved in this dirty business but definitively Duka is a strong player in global level. Game will remain the same, players will change constantly, this year was sacrificated Luftetari. We never know who will next!
Great post. If you can't see what Duka has done to our domestic football this last decade you're either a Skenderbeu fan or blind. As a Partizani fan I have to endure at all times accusations by opposing fans that Partizani was the communist regime's favorite team when Partizani has only won 5 titles in the last 50 years while being 21 times runners-up. Skenderbeu was able to win 5 in a span of 5 years. Even at its height Partizani was never able to win more than 3 consecutive titles. At this rate, Skenderbeu can tie Partizani's title count in another 7 years. The Superliga today is an absolute fucking joke.

Re: Albanian National Team [General topic]

by Plako » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:55 am

Aurora Bulkualis wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:30 pm
It's not that I don't blame Duka. It's that the answer is much more complex than that. It's like blaming the head of the EPL for Manchester United's youth academies.

People always want one central figure to blame for everything, for problems that are much deeper and systematic. It's not like if Duka leaves tomorrow, all of a sudden Albanian football will flourish. That's preposterous. This is a problem that includes Duka, the clubs owners, the level of coaches, the enthusiasm Albanians actually have for soccer (and I don't mean betting), the culture of development, etc...Duka is one variable out of 30.
Duka is a huge factor as he became a homer for Skenderbeu and basically killed domestic competition. I'm pretty sure he's made bank through all that match-fixing Skenderbeu has been involved for the last decade. But you do have a point that there are a ton of other factors as well.
Aurora Bulkualis wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:30 pm
One main problem here is that Albania just doesn't have that much of a sporting culture. Kosova is even shittier in terms of infrastructure and level of play, but at least they have the sporting culture from the Yugo-days. I don't think we've ever even won a gold medal in the Olympics. That's not Duka's fault.
Well Pirro Dhima would have won all the gold medals for us if we did not f*** up in 19991 and let him switch to Greece. But yeah point taken we do not have much of a sporting culture outside of cities like Shkodra and Tirana.

Re: Albanian National Team [General topic]

by Dallku » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:13 pm

artan wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:31 am

But the point is that you have a clear agenda against Kosovar based players as you feel like they are taking over the NT.
Only against shit players.

You don't see me saying anything bad about Mavraj, Abrashi, Xhaka, etc.

Some Kosovars get overrated to hell. Altin Lala took Rashica to Bundesliga but he's nowhere near bundesliga material as he proved last season and this season.

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