Kosova National Team [General topic]

[Leandro]

që gjermanët ishin pushtues është përrallë komuniste. gjermanët ishin pro bashkimit të trojeve shqiptare në një shtet shqiptar. në KS kishin dhe një divizion SS "Skënderbeu". prandaj ballistët nuk i ke pa tu luftu gjermanët. pa përmendur që veprat më të mëdha në tiranë sot i ke nga koha e italianëve, përfshi tër zonën rreth bulevardit me të gjitha rrugët e ndërtesat. personalisht mezi po pres të na "pushtojnë" prap italianët

për më tepër, gjermanët as kishin punë fare në shqipëri se ishin të drejtuar për në greqi dhe po ecnin për punën e tyre deri sa i qëlloi naj partizan prapa shpine

[Leandro]

a! sa për pushtues, trojet tona donin me i pushtu grekët, shumë nga të cilët i mblodhi xhaxhi me duar hapur thjesht se ishin komunistë. nga ana tjetër çamët nuk i kishte qef se kishin bashkëpunu me gjermanët për me fitu çamërinë (aka ishin patriotë)

trojet tona gjithashtu donin me i pushtu serbët, të cilët gjermanët i bënë aq bythë sa e mbajnë mend akoma dhe sot

[Plako]

Me duket se perkufizimin e fjales "patriot" e paskemi diametralisht te kundert.


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[vata10]

Balli Kombetare was nice and very patriotic in theory, I believe. And div. Skanderbeg is a myth.

[Simboli i Diellit]

Balli kombetar and Albanian communist party killed less Germans than PD and PS has killed Albanians during 97.

My grandfather was a partisan and always said we fought "persheshin ne kos"




Most of the dead invadors in Albania were Italians who died in the war against Greece.

My grandfather was a partisan of "Brigada e 23 sulmuese" , his older brother was a Ballist and the other brother was with Levizja e Legalitetit because his father was a monarkist politician . In case one of the three won the war the family would have a chance living normally without being persecuted. In fact they were declared Kulaks for 30 days but my granfather stopped Enver Hoxha to convince him changing the commision's decision and so happened , they took all the properties from the clan. He always told me stories about the war but they did not have battles, most of the battles were killing each other. His brigade was sent to Kill the Malesor Albanians of Kelmend who were against communism (the last stronghold resistance against the commies) , before they reached malesi half of brigada 21 sulmuese was dead and hundrieds of malesors also. When they reached the highlands all was over. They did more war to each other than to the enemy.

http://shqiptarja.com/dossier/2711/enve ... 02549.html

[Plako]

Balli Kombetare was nice and very patriotic in theory, I believe. And div. Skanderbeg is a myth.

Well what we know for sure is that both sides, the Commies and Ballists, tried to eliminate each other. However we also know for certain there was only one side that fought the fascists and the nazis. Had we not have a massive movement that fought alongside the Allies forces there was a good chance that Albania would have been split between Yugoslavia and Greece. If you read British intelligence transcripts after WWII Greece was still adamant about claiming "Northern Epirus" in the immediate years after the war.

These people who claim that Balli were the good guys and are all proud about SS Scanderbeg forget one crucial fact: the Germans lost the war.

[Simboli i Diellit]

These people who claim that Balli were the good guys and are all proud about SS Scanderbeg forget one crucial fact: the Germans lost the war.

If we didn't have a communist party of Albania with a partisan war we cerntainly would've been split between Greece and Yugoslavia . But that wouldn't be the worst outcome , i'm quite sure if the RUSSIAN army that destroyed German divisions in Romania and Bulgaria would've come towards Albania to throw albanians at sea towards Italy (we were their puppet state) or to Turkey (as muslims) . As an outcome without that connection that Tito had with Hoxha until 1948 , Yugoslavia would've cleared Kosova and Illirida just like they cleared the Croatian coast from almost one million Italians . At the end of the day Kosova had just 700k inhabitans inlcuding the serbs at the time.

[Aurora Bulkualis]

Te dy Partizanet dhe Ballistet kishin te mira dhe te keqija. Partizanet luftuan kunder pushtuesit, por shumica ishin proto-komuniste. Ballistet luftuan per bashkimin kombetar, po bashkepunuan me forcat pushtuese dhe vrane/torturuan Partizane. Ishin tipik grup proto-fashist. Partizanet kurre nuk i torturuan Ballistet.

Romantizoheni sa te doni, por ishin nje grup proto-fashist, dhe nje grup proto-komunist. Kishte po aq mundesi qe proto-fashistet te fitonin dhe Shqiperia te ktheheshe ne shtet fashist mbas WWII.

[Migjeni]

I've read accounts on the Commies from Albania who were working closely with the Yugoslavs when they came into Kosovë. They treated the Albanians in Kosovë worse than the Serbs.

I read an account and I'll try to find it again where a young kid was beaten severely while the Commies called him 'kokëderr'. In Kosovë the didn't understand wtf that meant. Lol.

[Albo_eagle]

I remember a few months ago i argues with someone on this forum about this.

Balli Kombëtar is a pasuri kombëtar for us. Lidhja e Prizrenit, Balli Kombëtar and UÇK should be movements all Albanians are proud of.

Yes they fought with the Germans and Italians but this is who was on OUR side. They supported us in our quest to unite Albania again