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I remember a few months ago i argued with someone on this forum about this.

Balli Kombëtar is a pasuri kombëtar for us. Lidhja e Prizrenit, Balli Kombëtar and UÇK should be movements all Albanians are proud of.

Yes they fought with the Germans and Italians but this is who was on OUR side. They supported us in our quest to unite Albania again and they supported us hard. Mussolini and Hitler liked us. They win the war and we are their main power in the balkans.

I have no idea how anyone can bash them. We are being opressed up north by the shkije sobbad that they told Edith Durham that she could not enter Kosova from Montenegro as itbwas no place for a woman as they had left every Albanian without a nose and upper lip. The Çams down south are suffering to the pederast greeks as they are being beated and operessed as the greeks trt to assimilate them or eliminate them. f*** the communists. Maybe those of you who sympathise with them do not have the same history of going through the suffering we did outside the borders. Lavdi Deshmorve e Ballit Kombëtar.

Migjeni wrote:I've read accounts on the Commies from Albania who were working closely with the Yugoslavs when they came into Kosovë. They treated the Albanians in Kosovë worse than the Serbs.

I read an account and I'll try to find it again where a young kid was beaten severely while the Commies called him 'kokëderr'. In Kosovë the didn't understand wtf that meant. Lol.

It was an ideological divide. Xhafer Deva, executed 86 commies in one night in Tirana.


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Just to be clear. North of Albania didn't fight against Germans nor Italians . The did resist to the commies , they did protect the Balli Kombetar "generals without army" escaping from south to north Albania. There are areas in northern albania that no ocupator did step foot for centuries. They were free, the Germans and Italians didn't attack malesors and vice-versa. The guerrila warfare happened in south , don't tell me commies didn't torture Ballists because they just killed them. Commies killed hundrieds their own leaders that were democrats/patriots fighting for the cause to free the country not to establish communism. Germans were passing by , after Italy fell, they were losing the east front, they had lost Italy and France . Most of those Germans used the Albania route as the safest to go home. Germany left and another ocupator established themselves , the central/southern communist army did attocities against Malesors. They did the same in Kosove and were responsible for the Tivari massacre. Those are facts.

Plako wrote:

vata10 wrote:Balli Kombetare was nice and very patriotic in theory, I believe. And div. Skanderbeg is a myth.

Well what we know for sure is that both sides, the Commies and Ballists, tried to eliminate each other. However we also know for certain there was only one side that fought the fascists and the nazis. Had we not have a massive movement that fought alongside the Allies forces there was a good chance that Albania would have been split between Yugoslavia and Greece. If you read British intelligence transcripts after WWII Greece was still adamant about claiming "Northern Epirus" in the immediate years after the war.

These people who claim that Balli were the good guys and are all proud about SS Scanderbeg forget one crucial fact: the Germans lost the war.

At least Ballistet knew the real enemy. I feel as they had no chance against the Commies though. I think Ballistet were more organised in RA, compared to the other Albo lands.

Nationalist have blown the SS Scanderbeg thing up. So naturally Serbs used it and attached ridiculous crimes to them.

Shaban Sinani në librin e tij të vlefshëm «Shqiptarët dhe hebrenjtë» Në shtator 1944, divizioni kishte 6491 pjesëtarë, shumica joaktivë; një mijë prej tyre dezertuan që në ditën e parë, sapo morën armët. Ish-legati i Rajhut të Tretë në Beograd, Hermann Neubacher, në kujtimet e tij e quan gabim të madh themelimin e divizionit nazist me shqiptarë. Ai shkruan: «Këta nuk njohin kurrfarë disipline, janë të regjistruar sa për të marrë armën, për të cilën kanë një adhurim të veçantë, dhe pastaj ia mbathin për në shtëpitë e tyre; madje dhe këpucët e pajimet i hedhin shkurreve, sepse janë mësuar të ecin me opinga». Vetë oficerët nazistë nuk ngurronin të përdornin fjalë raciste kundër shqiptarëve: i quanin «primitivë» si «zezakët që s’kanë mbathur kurrë këpucë më këmbë», «qenie me sjellje egërsirash».

Albanians had Scanderbeg and Bosniaks had the Handzar division, both made up of muslims.

Edhe Hitleri na ka pa si musliman.

vata10 wrote:Albanians had Scanderbeg and Bosniaks had the Handzar division, both made up of muslims.

Edhe Hitleri na ka pa si musliman.

Xhafer Deva, if Wiki is to be believed, was an Islamist and called for jihad.

Anyways, I still maintain that we would have been better off had the Axis Powers come victorious after the war. Now it's easy to shit on the commies as they fucked up the country real bad but back then they fought for an ideal and a better world that the feudalist society we were still living under. Balli fought for the status quo and was a vehicle for the powerful beys and landowners to maintain their power. It's no coincidence that the commies had widespread support and were able to overrun Balli easily.

This notion that the commies were "pushtues" is so ludicrous. It's like listening to a Trump supporter describing Obama's America today.


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Simboli i Diellit wrote:Just to be clear. North of Albania didn't fight against Germans nor Italians . The did resist to the commies , they did protect the Balli Kombetar "generals without army" escaping from south to north Albania. There are areas in northern albania that no ocupator did step foot for centuries. They were free, the Germans and Italians didn't attack malesors and vice-versa. The guerrila warfare happened in south , don't tell me commies didn't torture Ballists because they just killed them. Commies killed hundrieds their own leaders that were democrats/patriots fighting for the cause to free the country not to establish communism. Germans were passing by , after Italy fell, they were losing the east front, they had lost Italy and France . Most of those Germans used the Albania route as the safest to go home. Germany left and another ocupator established themselves , the central/southern communist army did attocities against Malesors. They did the same in Kosove and were responsible for the Tivari massacre. Those are facts.

Well of course they did commit atrocities, it was a war after all and usually the opposition gets liquidated. The commies were hounded during the war and would have been liquidated as well had Balli come out victories. Not sure what the argument is here. Are you trying to claim some moral high ground for Malesoret? Gjon Marka Gjoni was a sworn anti-commie and fought against them during WWII.


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Plako wrote:

vata10 wrote:Balli Kombetare was nice and very patriotic in theory, I believe. And div. Skanderbeg is a myth.

Well what we know for sure is that both sides, the Commies and Ballists, tried to eliminate each other. However we also know for certain there was only one side that fought the fascists and the nazis. Had we not have a massive movement that fought alongside the Allies forces there was a good chance that Albania would have been split between Yugoslavia and Greece. If you read British intelligence transcripts after WWII Greece was still adamant about claiming "Northern Epirus" in the immediate years after the war.

These people who claim that Balli were the good guys and are all proud about SS Scanderbeg forget one crucial fact: the Germans lost the war.

how the fuk would albania be split between serbia and greece when the germans assfucked them both and were pro a bigger albania? are you trolling us!

also ss skanderbeg is not a myth it is well documented. personally i dont like fascists but i dont think balli was fascist. they just saw the germans as a means to an end it seems to me. albanians are too dumb to be fascists

btw the commies were also fascists, just from the other side of the scale

Simboli i Diellit wrote:Commies killed hundrieds their own leaders that were democrats/patriots fighting for the cause to free the country not to establish communism.

this is the essence i think. commies did not fight for albania, they fought for communism. the original globalists

Leandro wrote:how the fuk would albania be split between serbia and greece when the germans assfucked them both and were pro a bigger albania? are you trolling us!

Well we know how WWII turned out for the Germans don't we? I'm talking about after the war ended.

Leandro wrote:also ss skanderbeg is not a myth it is well documented.

Yes they were real but the "myth" that Vata10 was referring too is their strength. They were not know for their effectiveness and are only a footnote in Albanian history brought up more by Serbs than Albanians.

Leandro wrote:personally i dont like fascists but i dont think balli was fascist. they just saw the germans as a means to an end it seems to me. albanians are too dumb to be fascists

No Balli were not fascists. They started out as a nationalist movement but slowly turned into collaborationists as the Commies grew in numbers and they saw the Commies as a direct threat to their power. It's hard to know exactly what happened during he war as the official history was written by the Commies and now the history has totally flipped and Balli has been somewhat "rehabilitated". The truth of the matter is that Balli & Legaliteti did not fight at all even when they were pushed very hard by the Brits to do so.


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Leandro wrote:

Simboli i Diellit wrote:Commies killed hundrieds their own leaders that were democrats/patriots fighting for the cause to free the country not to establish communism.

this is the essence i think. commies did not fight for albania, they fought for communism. the original globalists

As an idea that does not sound bad at all. The movement started with the French Revolution and its ideals of Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité.


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