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Re: Kosova 2018 Qualification
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:23 pm
by vata10
Vata1O wrote:Plako wrote:vata10 wrote:Enver Hoxha was politically naive at the begining and we were played by the Yugoslav. It could've went even worse, if Albania would've been included inside the Yugo federation or split by Serbia and Greece.
Actually Hoxha was a masterful politician. He was not as influential as he is made out to be after the war. In the South he was not known at all and it was those who fought who carried a lot more weight than him. The Yugoslavs had Koçi Xoxe (interior minister) as their main man in Albania who Hoxha executed in 1949. It took Hoxha until the early 1950s to consolidate his power after liquidating many of his rivals. In many aspects he was masterful politician like Zog.
Under Hoxha for the first time in our history our sovereignty was no longer threatened. I'm the end he did massive damage to the country and the negatives outweigh the positives. A right wing dictatorship would have served us better as the Commies ruined the country economically.
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Idk about that. Especially if you look at it from a Kosovars standpoint. Word is that Tito was very openmineded to discuss Kosova with Enver Hoxha , but the later was influenced by the Serbs to not claim it as in issue between Albania and the Yugoslavs. He also helped Yugoslavia prevent a possible Kosovar uprising against the Yugoslavs.
After all this loyalty towards the Yugoslavs, he then goes and sides with Stalin vs Tito. To me it just showes that he truly believed in the ideology he followed. While someone like Tito only used it and I think Tito is the synonym for "master politician."
All of this doesn't prove the Commie war against Fascism wrong though, nor prove the Commies better than Ballistet.[/i]
Re: Kosova 2018 Qualification
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:29 pm
by Plako
Anonymous wrote:Idk about that. Especially if you look at it from a Kosovars standpoint. Word is that Tito was very openmineded to discuss Kosova with Enver Hoxha , but the later was influenced by the Serbs to not claim it as in issue between Albania and the Yugoslavs. He also helped Yugoslavia prevent a possible Kosovar uprising against the Yugoslavs.
After all this loyalty towards the Yugoslavs, he then goes and sides with Stalin vs Tito. To me it just showes that he truly believed in the ideology he followed. While someone like Tito only used it and I think Tito is the synonym for "master politician."
All of this doesn't prove the Commie war against Fascism though, nor prove the Commies better than Ballistet.[/i]
Yeah agreed on Tito and his skills as a politician. I think he wanted to discuss Kosova too but the Serbs held him back. Hoxha only sided with Stalin to preserve his power and grip on Albania. The Yugoslavs were everywhere in Albania after the war ended and they were planning to incorporate it as the 7th republic.
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Re: Kosova 2018 Qualification
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:50 pm
by Albo_eagle
Enver Hoxha was a tradhëtar, like Zogu. Thats about it with them. Sold off Kosova and the blood of the 14,000 dead during the 90's is on them.
Re: Kosova 2018 Qualification
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:57 pm
by Plako
Albo_eagle wrote:Enver Hoxha was a tradhëtar, like Zogu. Thats about it with them. Sold off Kosova and the blood of the 14,000 dead during the 90's is on them.
Hmm not really, Zogu fled the country when the Italians invaded.
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Re: Kosova 2018 Qualification
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:39 pm
by Leandro
Plako wrote:As an idea that does not sound bad at all. The movement started with the French Revolution and its ideals of Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité.
yes and we can all see where that led. paris being a black city, france cant make any decision against immigrants
communist ideas are unnatural. the idea of coexistence does not exist in nature. even within the same species there is territorial struggle. this is how natural selection works
communism pretty much says that natural selection is bullshit and it incites complacency. half the world was communist and we have 0 success stories. coincidence? no, just shit ideas
Re: Kosova 2018 Qualification
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:43 pm
by AlMadman
Bernard Berisha with a goal for his team
Bercant Celina with a very decent performance, hit the post twice and scored a goal against GoAheadEagles. Bytyqi wasn't in the squad for this match.
Vedat Muriqi with a goal also
Re: Kosova 2018 Qualification
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:45 pm
by vata10
AlMadman wrote:Bernard Berisha with a goal for his team
Bercant Celina with a very decent performance, hit the post twice and scored a goal against GoAheadEagles. Bytyqi wasn't in the squad for this match.
Vedat Muriqi with a goal also
Celina is a technical player with a high footballing IQ. Dortmund is rumoured to be interested in him. He's going very strong this season and it wouldn't surprise me tbh, if Pep will want him in his squad for next season. He strikes me as a Mueller type of player that has a very good reading of the game.
Re: Kosova 2018 Qualification
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:39 pm
by AlMadman
I don't think he is going back to Man City anytime soon, if in fact he will ever go back. If he keeps up a good performance in netherlands, matures a bit, he should think about moving to a team where he will see a lot more minutes than sit on the bench for City.
Re: Kosova 2018 Qualification
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:57 pm
by Albo_eagle
Plako wrote:Albo_eagle wrote:Enver Hoxha was a tradhëtar, like Zogu. Thats about it with them. Sold off Kosova and the blood of the 14,000 dead during the 90's is on them.
Hmm not really, Zogu fled the country when the Italians invaded.
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Are you confused? What does that have to do with anything, did i say he did not flee. I wish the Italians had hung Zogu in Tiranë like the piece of shit he was.
Re: Kosova 2018 Qualification
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:23 pm
by Albo_eagle
As for Celina at City don't be delusional. Ask City fans what they think of him before you throw crazy ideas around. Apart from the first team there is Patricks and Barker who were in the same U21 team and both wingers and were better then him. Add that to Gabriel Jesus who is also arriving at City in January for 35 mil.