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Re: Albanians abroad

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:46 pm
by Princ
CanaYouDoIt wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:23 pm Manaj is fucking shit, you choose to back him but turn your back on Hysaj
Hysaj turned his back on the fans, after he filled his pockets and stopped giving a bollocks.

There was a time when Hysaj was a good player for us, back when he was young and hungry..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0qCKwWP3IFY

Re: Albanians abroad

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:31 pm
by Dallku
This season Bajrami has scored on Milan, Roma, Inter, and Lazio. Assisted on Juve.

We thought Bogdani was impressive but it took him a decade+ to score on multiple "big teams" while Bajrami is doing it in one season...and as a midfielder too.

Bajrami is weird player because he's often lethargic when you watch him play but one thing you can't deny is that he's productive.

Re: Albanians abroad

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:42 pm
by Princ
Rashica scored goals on all the big clubs at age 22/23 too, but you called him a fraud and said he would be back at KF Vushtrria in no time.

Sadly, he has not been able to enjoy this level of success with Kosovo, where he has been outshined by the “donkey” Muriqi, who could not buy a goal in Serie A, and Valon Berisha, a player who scored his last club goal almost 4 years ago in the Austrian Bundesliga (never scored in a top 4 league).

Re: Albanians abroad

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:56 pm
by Aurora Bulkualis
Princ wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:42 pm Rashica scored goals on all the big clubs at age 22/23 too, but you called him a fraud and said he would be back at KF Vushtrria in no time.

Sadly, he has not been able to enjoy this level of success with Kosovo, where he has been outshined by the “donkey” Muriqi, who could not buy a goal in Serie A, and Valon Berisha, a player who scored his last club goal almost 4 years ago in the Austrian Bundesliga (never scored in a top 4 league).
International play tends to be slower but more physical. Muriqi is a physical player. Rashica isn't.

Re: Albanians abroad

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:06 pm
by Dallku
Princ wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:42 pm Rashica scored goals on all the big clubs at age 22/23 too, but you called him a fraud and said he would be back at KF Vushtrria in no time.

Sadly, he has not been able to enjoy this level of success with Kosovo, where he has been outshined by the “donkey” Muriqi, who could not buy a goal in Serie A, and Valon Berisha, a player who scored his last club goal almost 4 years ago in the Austrian Bundesliga (never scored in a top 4 league).

Rashica has scored a grand total of 0 goals in 16 EPL games this season. He's going to get relegated and will be playing in the lower divisions starting August so he's not too far away from KF Vushtrria. It's a very realistic possibility.

His value went from 38 million to 8 million in less than 2 years.

Re: Albanians abroad

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:08 pm
by Princ
The point is that success for club will not always translate to success for country.

Best Albanian attacker of the last decade played in “the depths of Europe.” Did not stop him setting the assist record though..

Re: Albanians abroad

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:43 pm
by Dallku
Princ wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:08 pm The point is that success for club will not always translate to success for country.

Best Albanian attacker of the last decade played in “the depths of Europe.” Did not stop him setting the assist record though..

This is not true.

For the most part you are with the NT exactly what you are at your club.

That's why there is a significant difference between Dermaku and Kumbulla/Djimisiti, Broja and Cikalleshi/Manaj, Bare and Ramadani, etc...

You could say that someone like Bajrami has underperformed with the NT but that's because it's a really small sample size. He also started his Serie A season pretty poor but time showed his qualities.

Re: Albanians abroad

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:10 pm
by Princ
Rashica:
Top 4 league goals.. Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Leipzig, Gladbach, Eintracht, Wolfsburg
Best country goals/assists.. Gl Bulgaria (+1 assist), Gl Montenegro

Muriqi:
Top 4 league goals.. Atalanta
Best country goals/assists.. Gl England (+2 assist), Gl Czech Republic, Gl Slovenia, Gl Greece, Gl Bulgaria, Gl Montenegro

Valon Berisha:
Top 4 league goals.. 0
Best country goals/assists.. Gl England x2, Gl Finland, Assist Czech Republic, Assist Turkey

By your logic, Rashica should have the better NT career between these 3 players, but this is far from the case. Explain how..

Re: Albanians abroad

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:24 pm
by Dallku
Princ wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:10 pm Rashica:
Top 4 league goals.. Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Leipzig, Gladbach, Eintracht, Wolfsburg
Best country goals/assists.. Gl Bulgaria (+1 assist), Gl Montenegro

Muriqi:
Top 4 league goals.. Atalanta
Best country goals/assists.. Gl England (+2 assist), Gl Czech Republic, Gl Slovenia, Gl Greece, Gl Bulgaria, Gl Montenegro

Valon Berisha:
Top 4 league goals.. 0
Best country goals/assists.. Gl England x2, Gl Finland, Assist Czech Republic, Assist Turkey

By your logic, Rashica should have the better NT career between these 3 players, but this is far from the case. Explain how..


Goals in Bundesliga are misleading because it's not a competitive league. Bayern dominate that league so much that they get bored and lose focus often and concede dumb goals regularly. They will give Rashica a goal or two when they know they can score 5 on the other end.

Rashica showed in the EPL his true level. So he's the same player at club and NT.

Muriqi might not be Lazio level but he's Fenerbache level. At his level he should still be able to score against the Slovenias, Montenegros, etc.. Especially since his skillset suits international level too.

Valon Berisha could easily play in a top league, just not Lazio... similar to Muriqi. These are not bad players at all but not at that high top league level. They are mid/relegation top league level. They should still be good enough for international and they are.

Re: Albanians abroad

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:31 pm
by Princ
Dallku wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:24 pm Goals in Bundesliga are misleading because it's not a competitive league. Bayern dominate that league so much that they get bored and lose focus often and concede dumb goals regularly. They will give Rashica a goal or two when they know they can score 5 on the other end.
Absolutely false!

The year Rashica scored on Bayern (2019-20), they conceded less goals than any team in EPL or Serie A, with only Real and Atletico conceding less in Spain.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mZAjUP12_VU

At his peak, Rashica enjoyed far greater success at club level than these others, but the same could not be said for his international career so far.