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Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:24 pm

artan wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:27 pm I'm pretty sure that debt figure is sensationalized. I think they include transfer fees, player salaries, etc in that figure. If a team purchases a player for 100 million euros with average salary of 10 million they will average that out for the average life of 5 years or whatever the contract is. Also several of these teams have built/upgraded their stadiums as well.

And I'm certain some of those teams pull in revenue way over that figure each year. A team like United has extensive sponsorship deals, significant TV revenue, prize money, etc, that's way over that debt figure yearly.

That’s the debt before the pandemic started. Teams havent released the latest ones yet. Barca has 1.3 billion because of Messi. No sales from Stadiums, no sales of shirts... They were going more negative on the balance sheets every year imagine 2 years without those incomes...
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:30 pm

Simboli i Diellit wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:24 pm
artan wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:27 pm I'm pretty sure that debt figure is sensationalized. I think they include transfer fees, player salaries, etc in that figure. If a team purchases a player for 100 million euros with average salary of 10 million they will average that out for the average life of 5 years or whatever the contract is. Also several of these teams have built/upgraded their stadiums as well.

And I'm certain some of those teams pull in revenue way over that figure each year. A team like United has extensive sponsorship deals, significant TV revenue, prize money, etc, that's way over that debt figure yearly.

That’s the debt before the pandemic started. Teams havent released the latest ones yet. Barca has 1.3 billion because of Messi. No sales from Stadiums, no sales of shirts... They were going more negative on the balance sheets every year imagine 2 years without those incomes...
Yeah I saw like 2x those debts in Twitter tbh. One of them had Spurs over a billion.

People thought this ESL was some greedy move, when in reality it was a Hail Mary to save clubs from bankruptcy.
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:42 pm

Aurora Bulkualis wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:30 pm Yeah I saw like 2x those debts in Twitter tbh. One of them had Spurs over a billion.

People thought this ESL was some greedy move, when in reality it was a Hail Mary to save clubs from bankruptcy.
It's to "save" the owners not the clubs. If you can't service the debt you'll be foreclosed on and lose any equity you might have had. Some Chinese or Arab billionaire will come in and buy the club for pennies on the dollar.
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:29 pm

Plako wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:42 pm
Aurora Bulkualis wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:30 pm Yeah I saw like 2x those debts in Twitter tbh. One of them had Spurs over a billion.

People thought this ESL was some greedy move, when in reality it was a Hail Mary to save clubs from bankruptcy.
It's to "save" the owners not the clubs. If you can't service the debt you'll be foreclosed on and lose any equity you might have had. Some Chinese or Arab billionaire will come in and buy the club for pennies on the dollar.
It was trap by Real and Barca to use Premier League clubs owners greed to save their hegemony as clubs in world football. It's obvious La Liga can't compete with Premier League so it's do it or die for Barca or Real otherwise in few years they will be bullied financially even by average clubs of Premier League. As Milan supporter i'm appalled by Ac Milan,Real, Juventus, Barca, Inter hypocrisy especially from their fans. They complain about sheikhs money but those clubs did everything to destroy their leagues and now complain they can't compete.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:41 am

ZenMaster wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:29 pm
Plako wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:42 pm
Aurora Bulkualis wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:30 pm Yeah I saw like 2x those debts in Twitter tbh. One of them had Spurs over a billion.

People thought this ESL was some greedy move, when in reality it was a Hail Mary to save clubs from bankruptcy.
It's to "save" the owners not the clubs. If you can't service the debt you'll be foreclosed on and lose any equity you might have had. Some Chinese or Arab billionaire will come in and buy the club for pennies on the dollar.
It was trap by Real and Barca to use Premier League clubs owners greed to save their hegemony as clubs in world football. It's obvious La Liga can't compete with Premier League so it's do it or die for Barca or Real otherwise in few years they will be bullied financially even by average clubs of Premier League. As Milan supporter i'm appalled by Ac Milan,Real, Juventus, Barca, Inter hypocrisy especially from their fans. They complain about sheikhs money but those clubs did everything to destroy their leagues and now complain they can't compete.
You're making it sound like there's no Premier League clubs who need money. This is more of an anti-sheikh move.
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http://www.panorama.com.al/sport/e-bujs ... superiore/

This is a horrible idea lol. If anything just have a few regional leagues like

1) Croatia/Slovenia
2) Serbia/Montenegro/Serbian teams in Bosnia
3) Albania/Kosovo/Albanian teams in Macedonia & Montenegro
4) Bulgaria/Macedonia
5) Romania/Hungary (is there bad blood between the two countries?)
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Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:52 am

artan wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:18 am http://www.panorama.com.al/sport/e-bujs ... superiore/

This is a horrible idea lol. If anything just have a few regional leagues like

1) Croatia/Slovenia
2) Serbia/Montenegro/Serbian teams in Bosnia
3) Albania/Kosovo/Albanian teams in Macedonia & Montenegro
4) Bulgaria/Macedonia
5) Romania/Hungary (is there bad blood between the two countries?)
It's not horrible idea but it is probably one of shittiest fake news ever. It's impossible for many reasons but i will mention some of them.

1) Serbian teams would accept to play in regional league with kosovar club only if Prishtina registers in Serbian Federation and is represented as serbian club.
2) Timing is extremely questionable,as idea has been discussed many times by ex-Yugoslavia legendary players but i believe "inventor" of this fake news was inspired by Florentino Perez interview at Chiringuito. Perez mentioned Benelux and Balkan league during that interview.
3) Gazeta Olle can be credible source about Kosovo junior championship but anything beyond that is questionable.
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Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:21 pm

ZenMaster wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:52 am
artan wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:18 am http://www.panorama.com.al/sport/e-bujs ... superiore/

This is a horrible idea lol. If anything just have a few regional leagues like

1) Croatia/Slovenia
2) Serbia/Montenegro/Serbian teams in Bosnia
3) Albania/Kosovo/Albanian teams in Macedonia & Montenegro
4) Bulgaria/Macedonia
5) Romania/Hungary (is there bad blood between the two countries?)
It's not horrible idea but it is probably one of shittiest fake news ever. It's impossible for many reasons but i will mention some of them.

1) Serbian teams would accept to play in regional league with kosovar club only if Prishtina registers in Serbian Federation and is represented as serbian club.
2) Timing is extremely questionable,as idea has been discussed many times by ex-Yugoslavia legendary players but i believe "inventor" of this fake news was inspired by Florentino Perez interview at Chiringuito. Perez mentioned Benelux and Balkan league during that interview.
3) Gazeta Olle can be credible source about Kosovo junior championship but anything beyond that is questionable.
Yea, it just won't work. I can imagine the scenes if FC Prishtina plays Olympikaos in Athens and the entire arena chanting something about Kosovo or Albanians lol.

Now that I think about it I do think it'll be nice to have a little Balkan/Mediterranean competition to supplement European competitions (as most clubs won't even qualify for CL/EL) but I guess with the third European comeptiton UEFA is creating would kill this idea even if all these countries can behave.
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Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:58 pm

artan wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:21 pm I guess with the third European comeptiton UEFA is creating would kill this idea even if all these countries can behave.
Not that it would make a huge difference for shit leagues like Albania, Bosnia, Montenegro, Kosovo as the teams that will play in the qualifiers will be more or less the same ones that were in EL.
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Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:46 am

MercedesBenz240 wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:58 pm
artan wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:21 pm I guess with the third European comeptiton UEFA is creating would kill this idea even if all these countries can behave.
Not that it would make a huge difference for shit leagues like Albania, Bosnia, Montenegro, Kosovo as the teams that will play in the qualifiers will be more or less the same ones that were in EL.
Europa league will now have 32 teams down from 48 while this new league will have 32. So essentially 16 more teams will qualify for some competition. I can see a team like Shkendija qualifying for this as teams who got eliminated in the playoff round of Europa league get automatic qualification. This new competition was basically to trim down Europa League and make Europa League more attractable. This will be the "Rest of Europe" competition.

I wonder how the prize money will look for this competition.
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