Albanians abroad

With memories of the golden years (80's) of the albanian football still fresh on her mind, Albania is now attempting to recreate its strong football legacy. As young players start making their names abroad, the future is looking bright for Albanian football!

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Princ wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 5:42 pm

Anyone can boot it up the pitch.

Difference is that La Liga “superstar” is small, weak, and in worse shape than the Hungarian leaguer. Not to mention that he makes lethal mistakes regularly.

at Poland.. put Lewandowski through on goal for dagger 3rd goal, failed to take out attacker leading to disallowed 4th goal
at Hungary.. looked off wide open top scorer to take cheap shot
vs. Poland.. put visitors in on dangerous attack (3 on 2) twice in second half
at England.. QUIT after early first goal
at Spain.. passed ball to other team in front of our box leading to go ahead goal

Absolutely disgraceful!

Those are typicals errors(some of them collective) that happen in literally every match of football. The best players in the world make those mistakes.

What seperates players is the overall body of work not some isolated incidents here and there.
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Dallku wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:25 pm Those are typicals errors(some of them collective) that happen in literally every match of football. The best players in the world make those mistakes.

What seperates players is the overall body of work not some isolated incidents here and there.
What body of work?

What has Bare done to show that Albanians should forgive these lethal mistakes?
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Princ wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:00 am
Dallku wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:25 pm Those are typicals errors(some of them collective) that happen in literally every match of football. The best players in the world make those mistakes.

What seperates players is the overall body of work not some isolated incidents here and there.
What body of work?

What has Bare done to show that Albanians should forgive these lethal mistakes?



1,485 minutes in argubly the 2nd best league in the world this season, for a mid-table club that knows their football. If he's good enough for that level then he's more than good enough for Albania.

Why doesn't he make those errors at his club?? Sounds like an Albanian problem.
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Dallku wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 3:46 pm
Princ wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 12:00 am
Dallku wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:25 pm Those are typicals errors(some of them collective) that happen in literally every match of football. The best players in the world make those mistakes.

What seperates players is the overall body of work not some isolated incidents here and there.
What body of work?

What has Bare done to show that Albanians should forgive these lethal mistakes?



1,485 minutes in argubly the 2nd best league in the world this season, for a mid-table club that knows their football. If he's good enough for that level then he's more than good enough for Albania.

Why doesn't he make those errors at his club?? Sounds like an Albanian problem.
We're having this conversation for the 50th time this year. He's obsessed with it, leave him be.

As for the mistakes part, you are right its an Albania problem. Having the ball only 20% of the time is a big ask on someone mentally and physically. You're defending most the time so when you get the ball normally you are in a compromised spot and every touch is key, as we've seen, Reja and his system is not conducive to good football so these guys end up trying to do too much and it costs us.

Get a competent coach and you'll see how good we are.
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CanaYouDoIt wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 3:58 pm
As for the mistakes part, you are right its an Albania problem. Having the ball only 20% of the time is a big ask on someone mentally and physically. You're defending most the time so when you get the ball normally you are in a compromised spot and every touch is key, as we've seen, Reja and his system is not conducive to good football so these guys end up trying to do too much and it costs us.

Get a competent coach and you'll see how good we are.


Exactly. All while the opponent is pressing like crazy because they can smell blood. Keidi gets the ball and who he suppose to pass to? Gjasula, Laci, Manaj, Cika... all players who don't even want the ball. It's an awkard situation that's why I don't fault Bare at all.

Now with Asllani in there I'm confident that Bare will be better. It will take some pressure off him.
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For Albania standards Bare is considered a top talent. He has shown his worth in La Liga and analysts there seem to think he’s a quality player. We can count the players who play in top leagues consistently in one hand.

As for his mistakes with the NT those are bound to happen when the opponent has possession for 75% of the time and when we can’t string a few passes together. The opposition can press us relentlessly without any fear of counter attack because we have the slowest wide players and forwards in Europe. I don’t think even Luka Modric would have done better in those spots.

It’s a team issue and it’s going to happen when you can’t keep 30% of the possession and have no counter attacking threats. I don’t know why teams don’t press us even more, who will tourch them, Trashi and Hysaj?

If we want to play 3-5-2 we’d need to play actual wingbacks who can get forward. Balliu is encouraging and I don’t think Hysaj is a wingback with our setup. Maybe if we had better attackers Hysaj can work but he’s more of a fullback in a traditional back four. There’s no pace or width in our team. It’s been like this for years and it never gets addressed
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Dallku wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 4:03 pm
CanaYouDoIt wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 3:58 pm
As for the mistakes part, you are right its an Albania problem. Having the ball only 20% of the time is a big ask on someone mentally and physically. You're defending most the time so when you get the ball normally you are in a compromised spot and every touch is key, as we've seen, Reja and his system is not conducive to good football so these guys end up trying to do too much and it costs us.

Get a competent coach and you'll see how good we are.


Exactly. All while the opponent is pressing like crazy because they can smell blood. Keidi gets the ball and who he suppose to pass to? Gjasula, Laci, Manaj, Cika... all players who don't even want the ball. It's an awkard situation that's why I don't fault Bare at all.

Now with Asllani in there I'm confident that Bare will be better. It will take some pressure off him.
Cika starts for the 2nd best team in Turkey. Manaj played 1.5k minutes for safe Spezia. But you bring those two up as bad players. You don't follow your principle.

You can think they are bad players, but it directly refutes your logic. Just because a player plays in a top league or a reputable team doesn't make them a good player. Some top league clubs start absolute rubbish, Veseli played a season as a starter in Empoli and even now gets some minutes for Salerno.

Whilst Bare is talented, he has made a lot of unacceptable errors with us. And I was one of his biggest defenders on here when he was playing in Malaga and nobody rated him. Albeit this and his talents we need to recognise his performances have been poor and Laci and Ramadani in fact have played better when they have played, so has Gjasula, who was again solid against Spain.
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RedFootballs wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 5:36 pm
Cika starts for the 2nd best team in Turkey. Manaj played 1.5k minutes for safe Spezia. But you bring those two up as bad players. You don't follow your principle.

You can think they are bad players, but it directly refutes your logic. Just because a player plays in a top league or a reputable team doesn't make them a good player. Some top league clubs start absolute rubbish, Veseli played a season as a starter in Empoli and even now gets some minutes for Salerno.

Whilst Bare is talented, he has made a lot of unacceptable errors with us. And I was one of his biggest defenders on here when he was playing in Malaga and nobody rated him. Albeit this and his talents we need to recognise his performances have been poor and Laci and Ramadani in fact have played better when they have played, so has Gjasula, who was again solid against Spain.


When did I rate the Turkish league??

But of course context matters. Some top leaguers who play for these relagation teams are not guaranteed to be top league material. Some of them(Veseli, Ujkani, Manaj) are suspect and could be easily 2nd division level.

Espanyol on the other hand has been historically a mid-table La Liga team so they are a different level than Salernitana, Spezia, Deportivo Alaves and all these newly promoted/relegation sides. That's why Bare is more established than these other players you mention.
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Also we have eyes and can see Cika and Manaj are not good on the ball.
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Dallku wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:10 am Honestly there is nothing wrong with having players from smaller leagues but only if they play for the top teams of those leagues. For example: Olympiakos, Basel, Top Turkish trio, top Russian, top Ukrainian, and hell even Dinamo Zagreb, etc. Yes the level in those leagues is not the greatest but those are very serious clubs who invest a lot and have legit expectations.

So no, it doesn't have to be top 4.
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