Re: Exodus 2.0 - Kombetarja

[Albo_eagle]

@Rondon
^ When you finally hit puberty you'll agree with me.

It's only little kids like you and the totally uneducated or simply thick simpletons that don't want to recognize Kosovo as an independent state. You make fun of their flag and their anthem but those things symbolize winning their independence.

Thankfully most Kosovars embrace their new state. Albanians from Albania are passive about it.. Who has a problem with it? Some delusional little kids and some retards. Thankfully they are small and declining in number.

You have never been to Kosovë so what are you on about. Delusional.

[Dallku]

You have never been to Kosovë so what are you on about. Delusional.

I never been to the moon either but I know it has no oxygen and water.

And you out of all people should be the last person to call anyone delusional. All your predictions/claims are coming out to be false one by one(what a surprise). You claimed that Rashica is a huge patriot and VV guy and he was the first guy to switch to Kosovo. Maybe you're just jinx but delusional suits you well.

[Albo_eagle]

^^
Hoxha was a Yugoslav puppet and the sole reason he gained power was because he bent over to the Yugoslavs. The Yugoslavs(with the help of the Soviets) created the communist party in Albania and chose Hoxha as their leader. Hoxha betrayed the Balli Kombetar after Hoxha gave them their word that they'll cease fire among eachother and fight for "Greater Albania". Of course the Yugoslavs(especially the Serbs) didn't like this and forced Hoxha to backstab the Bali Kombetar or else they'll withdraw their support for Hoxha. Then of course Hoxha seceded any support for the Albanian lands in Kosova, Macedonia and Cameria so he can keep his little banana state where he'd be a mini-god. He then brainwashed the people to believe in Marxism-Leninism some political ideological BS. Albanians in Albania went starving and lived in some prison state worshiping Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin. Albanians in the Yugo were genocided, deported and treated like third class citizens. Albanians in Cameria were completely wiped off the map.

I'm on a rant here lol. Hoxha's threats were for pure propaganda purposes to control the people. How exactly was he gonna invade Yugoslavia and Greece with their WW2 ammunition and soldiers who probably went starving?

Nowhere is his speeches did Hoxha threaten to invade either Yugoslavia or Greece. He was only threatening retaliation if they ever tried to mess with Albania's national sovereignty, which he knew very well that the Serbs and Greeks would try if given the chance.

Not sure where you got your history lessons from but Balli Kombetar were a bunch of fascist and nazi collaborators that never lifted a finger against the occupiers. It's easy to throw mud at the commies now after they devastated the country with their lunatic economic policy but they were the only resistance force against the occupation in WWII. How many divisions did Balli field against the Nazis? How many Ballists died fighting the Nazis? A big fucking zero.

And this whole notion of Hoxha being a Yugoslav puppet is laughable. The Yugo puppet in Albania was Koci Xoxe (origin either Vlach or Macedonian Orthodox) who was executed by Hoxha in 1949. We broke off ties with Tito's Yugoslavia very soon after WWII and did not normalize relations until very recently. Gotta love this revisionist history.

Hoxha was a Machiavellian bastard who gained absolute power through sheer ruthlessness and physical elimination of direct threat to his power. He had the balls to go to Moscow and break off relations with Russia at the gathering of all communist parties where the great Sino-Soviet split took place. He eliminated the pro-Soviet faction and kicked the Soviets out of Albania. He was nobody's puppet.


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What you wrote in your first paragraph was correct. Then afterwards you went off track. Artan was completely right in what he wrote.

As fro the Balli Kombëtar, why would they fight against the Nazi's or Italians when they helped us keep our unified Albania and kept us safe from greece and yugoslavia.

[Albo_eagle]

You have never been to Kosovë so what are you on about. Delusional.

I never been to the moon either but I know it has no oxygen and water.

And you out of all people should be the last person to call anyone delusional. All your predictions/claims are coming out to be false one by one(what a surprise). You claimed that Rashica is a huge patriot and VV guy and he was the first guy to switch to Kosovo. Maybe you're just jinx but delusional suits you well.

If you bothered to read Rashica's leaving statement you would of seen the difference between him and Meha or Shala. Rashica wrote somethinf along the lines of 'i hope we will have a unified team soon and every Albanian should work towards that'.

You write the most ridiculous things here.

[Plako]

As fro the Balli Kombëtar, why would they fight against the Nazi's or Italians when they helped us keep our unified Albania and kept us safe from greece and yugoslavia.

Hmm I don't know, maybe because they occupied Albania.

Artan is probably referring to Marreveshja e Mukjes and Hoxha's subsequent refusal to abide by it as proof that Hoxha backstabbed Kosova. While what happened can be open to interpretation one thing is very clear from an historical perspective: Balli did not fight the Nazis at all and only a few months before Mukje started to distance itself from the pro-Nazi qui along government. All of the "anti-fascist" forces , besides the communists, that the British and Americans wanted to prop up and consisted mainly of Balli and pro-Zogu Legaliteti led by Abaz Kupi never fought a serious battle against the Germans.

The British desperately pressed Balli and Legaliteti to mount a resistance to the Germans but they were more preoccupied with fighting the Commies than the Germans.

I agree that the commies could have done more about Kosova and to a degree maybe Hoxha did not seek unification as he saw Albanians in Kosova posing a threat to his quest for power, knowing their warrior like tendencies. I have no problem admitting that. But this whole revisionist history that Balli were the good guys is utter bullshit.

The commies were driven by ideology and I am not sure how strong was the communist movement in Kosova but I suspect it was not as strong as the nationalists movement so that's where the clash might have arisen from. I know the Albanians there formed an SS division and Xhafer Deva was a leading political figure in Kosove.

In hindsight, from an Albania nationalist perspective, I wish the Nazis and Balli had won WWII. But such is life, they did not win and they didn't get to write the history .

[Berti]

Regional bashing in full force again I see.
I don't see how we are different then any other country. In England you get labelled immediately if you have a northern accent, in Italy if you have a southern accent. And probably stronger than in Albania. The way I see it a katunar is a katunar and he can be from wherever. Katunet e tirones have the most notorious ones. I heard above that Tirana and Durres are the worst offenders. I tend to disagree. I think further south are way more detached in regards to identity. But anyhow in personal experience it has to do with living etiquette and matter of interpretation.
But I can say that imo from Tirana downwards no one differentiates the "kosovars" from any northern regions. And as for Armenito rightly pointing out the recent migration from Kosova holiday makers from Durres towards the north i think the problem is internal. Not many "durrsake" have investments in tourism in Durres. They are overwhelmingly kosovars. Yes there were complaints but no one ever cared about the " locals". I can tell you hundreds of issues with holiday makers and total disrespect about people living there. I never go home during summer. It's not an Albanian city anymore. It's a constant dirty mess with 24 hrs live "katunar" music. I've had rubbish randomly thrown into my house for fun. And let's not even go into the dreaded moment when some poor fella from certain areas sees one of your family members in a bathing suit.
In my opinion Albanians in general just don't know how holidaying works.
So to sum up. Imo as I've said many times before, regional bashing in Albania in not reserved specifically for northerners. Plako can tell you that even considering the very close proximity and identical traditions Tirana and Durres constantly bash each other. Kavaja and Lushnja far more than north. It's a nothing issue.-

[Albanian Damien]

As fro the Balli Kombëtar, why would they fight against the Nazi's or Italians when they helped us keep our unified Albania and kept us safe from greece and yugoslavia.

Hmm I don't know, maybe because they occupied Albania.

Artan is probably referring to Marreveshja e Mukjes and Hoxha's subsequent refusal to abide by it as proof that Hoxha backstabbed Kosova. While what happened can be open to interpretation one thing is very clear from an historical perspective: Balli did not fight the Nazis at all and only a few months before Mukje started to distance itself from the pro-Nazi qui along government. All of the "anti-fascist" forces , besides the communists, that the British and Americans wanted to prop up and consisted mainly of Balli and pro-Zogu Legaliteti led by Abaz Kupi never fought a serious battle against the Germans.

The British desperately pressed Balli and Legaliteti to mount a resistance to the Germans but they were more preoccupied with fighting the Commies than the Germans.

I agree that the commies could have done more about Kosova and to a degree maybe Hoxha did not seek unification as he saw Albanians in Kosova posing a threat to his quest for power, knowing their warrior like tendencies. I have no problem admitting that. But this whole revisionist history that Balli were the good guys is utter bullshit.

The commies were driven by ideology and I am not sure how strong was the communist movement in Kosova but I suspect it was not as strong as the nationalists movement so that's where the clash might have arisen from. I know the Albanians there formed an SS division and Xhafer Deva was a leading political figure in Kosove.

In hindsight, from an Albania nationalist perspective, I wish the Nazis and Balli had won WWII. But such is life, they did not win and they didn't get to write the history .

Hey Plako I had to respond to the bold. Warrior like tendencies? Those same warriors you speak of wouldn't dare even raise their voice in Tropoja The Kosovars are not intimidating to Albania but Hoxha could barely even "feed" the 3 million people he already had under his iron fist, how the hell was he going to "take care" of 2 million more?

Also if the Nazis won it would have been even worse for Albanian nationalist because we would all be speaking German instead

[Plako]

Hey Plako I had to respond to the bold. Warrior like tendencies? Those same warriors you speak of wouldn't dare even raise their voice in Tropoja The Kosovars are not intimidating to Albania but Hoxha could barely even "feed" the 3 million people he already had under his iron fist, how the hell was he going to "take care" of 2 million more?

Also if the Nazis won it would have been even worse for Albanian nationalist because we would all be speaking German instead

Albanians from Kosova are well known for their warrior like tendencies. Most of our national uprisings started there. While in Central Albania the only uprising was that of Haxhi Qamili which wanted to keep us under the Ottoman rule.

Also, there is an argument to be made that Tropoja is geographically and culturally closer to Kosova than RSH. There is a reason why Albanians from Kosova jizz their pants at the mere sights of Sali Berisha

If Nazis had won we'd be speaking German as a second language for sure. I'd have no problem with that. Also we'd have probably split Serbia in two with Croatia, annexed most of Montenegro, all of Western Macedonia and Northern Greece



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[Albo_eagle]

Lidhja e Prizrenit, Balli Kombëtar and UÇK.

Three national treasures, we await the next one.

[Albanian Damien]

Hey Plako I had to respond to the bold. Warrior like tendencies? Those same warriors you speak of wouldn't dare even raise their voice in Tropoja The Kosovars are not intimidating to Albania but Hoxha could barely even "feed" the 3 million people he already had under his iron fist, how the hell was he going to "take care" of 2 million more?

Also if the Nazis won it would have been even worse for Albanian nationalist because we would all be speaking German instead

Albanians from Kosova are well known for their warrior like tendencies. Most of our national uprisings started there. While in Central Albania the only uprising was that of Haxhi Qamili which wanted to keep us under the Ottoman rule.

Also, there is an argument to be made that Tropoja is geographically and culturally closer to Kosova than RSH. There is a reason why Albanians from Kosova jizz their pants at the mere sights of Sali Berisha

If Nazis had won we'd be speaking German as a second language for sure. I'd have no problem with that. Also we'd have probably split Serbia in two with Croatia, annexed most of Montenegro, all of Western Macedonia and Northern Greece



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While that might be true no way the giants of Tropoja can be compared to the midgets of Kosova