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Plako wrote:Not sure what the argument is here. Are you trying to claim some moral high ground for Malesoret? Gjon Marka Gjoni was a sworn anti-commie and fought against them during WWII.
Moral high grounds? No just partially . Gjon Marka Gjoni , Turtulli , Verlaci and Kruja were fashists . They left Albania to become permanent senators in Italy , they didn't fight . The dad of Marka Gjoni was the founder of the Puppet state of "Mirdita Republic" that my grand-grandfathers fought against to establish the Zogu's reign. Malesoret were Prek Cali and co who were nationalists who alongside with Bajram Curri fought the Turks, Serbs , Montenegrins and the Commies. They didn't fight against the Italians and Germans as far as i know. Northern Albania lived under ocupation of southern hegemony if we see all this from some point of view
Plako wrote:Not sure what the argument is here. Are you trying to claim some moral high ground for Malesoret? Gjon Marka Gjoni was a sworn anti-commie and fought against them during WWII.
Moral high grounds? No just partially . Gjon Marka Gjoni , Turtulli , Verlaci and Kruja were fashists . They left Albania to become permanent senators in Italy , they didn't fight . The dad of Marka Gjoni was the founder of the Puppet state of "Mirdita Republic" that my grand-grandfathers fought against to establish the Zogu's reign. Malesoret were Prek Cali and co who were nationalists who alongside with Bajram Curri fought the Turks, Serbs , Montenegrins and the Commies. They didn't fight against the Italians and Germans as far as i know. Northern Albania lived under ocupation of southern hegemony if we see all this from some point of view
Well the Catholics embraced the fascists by and large, Prek Cali included, who by the way invaded Albania. I feel like some conveniently keep forgetting this fact here.
Bajram Curri died long before the war and didn't he fight alongside Noli, a Bolshevik, to overthrow Zogu?
Simboli i Diellit wrote:Northern Albania lived under ocupation of southern hegemony if we see all this from some point of view
Well, I'm sure the "nationalist" Northmen would have preferred Italian hegemony. Sorry bro
Mos e kemi edhe Leandron gje nga Malesia so po vdes ta "pushtoje" prape Italia Shqypnin
He said something along the lines that he wishes Italy would invade Albania again like last time. It might sound stupid but he is right.
My dad told me the old people in Kosovë use to say about the years 1941-1944 that those 3 years went like 3 days. Doesn't seem like a bad occupation to me. Italy and Germany came and basically gave us our freedom, just like Nato did in Kosovë. But as always tradhëtar like enver hoxha and hashim thaçi do everything in their power to hold our country back. Like Balli Kombëtar said, Shqipëria e Shqipëtarve, Vdekje tradhëtarve.
Keshtu qe vendosni Italine ne te njejtin nivel me Serbet, Turqit e Greket? Si mund ta luftonin Italine malesoret kur Italia zgjati vetem 3-4 vite, edhe vete partizanet lufuan italianet vetem per nje vit . Italianet ndihmuan e organizuan popullsine lokale ne veri duke fillu nga shendetsia, agrikultura, blegtoria etj. 33 mije punetore u sollen nga Italia per te ndertu ura, rruge, kanalizime e ndertesa vetem ne tre vitet e pushtimit. Kuptohet se bashkimi i nje pjese te Kosoves, Ilirides, Çamerise e Malesise me trungun sherbeu si propagande e se qellimi kryesor Italjan ishte irredentizmi Italian duke u bazu ne "Albania Veneta" qe jeton edhe sot ne mendjen e popullsise Katolike ne ultesiren veri-perendimore Nga 120 mije italiane qe jetonin ne Shqiperi me familjet pas luftes se dyte boterore pak me shume se gjysma u lejuan te kthehen ne Itali. Pjesa tjeter u detyrua te punonte per Hoxhen sepse ishin punetore te specjalizuar, inxhiniere, mjeke, veterinere, gjeometer etj ata ndihmuan ndertimin e universiteteve dhe shkollimin e brezave te pare . Pjesa e ngelur e italjanve u kthyen ne Itali vetem ne 1992 pas renies se komunizmit. Italianet me sa di nuk kane kryer gjenocide ne Shqiperi ne gjitha tentativat e tyre per ekspansion territorial. Tashi nese mund te denohet dicka di ekspansioni territorial eshte teme tjeter pasi gjithe afrika dhe shume vende aziatike jetonin si koloni europjane deri ne fundvitet 80 , ishte koha dhe tendenca kolonizuese ne mode e europjaneve asokohe. My grandparents always named the italian doctor living in our city that had saved hundried if not thousands of people. We would be better if we were a US colony though
Dakort asnje pike dhe presje nuk i heq nga ato qe the per Italine dhe kuptohet qe s'mund ti ve ne nje rang me Serbine/Greqine. Po gjtihsesi nuk duhet harruar fakti qe ata ishin pushtues. Ne ne Jug nuk i durojme dot çibanet e huaj. I hodhem ne det ne 1920 dhe me 1943
Albo_eagle wrote:My dad told me the old people in Kosovë use to say about the years 1941-1944 that those 3 years went like 3 days. Doesn't seem like a bad occupation to me. Italy and Germany came and basically gave us our freedom, just like Nato did in Kosovë. But as always tradhëtar like enver hoxha and hashim thaçi do everything in their power to hold our country back. Like Balli Kombëtar said, Shqipëria e Shqipëtarve, Vdekje tradhëtarve.
Freedom? Are you serious dude? Nobody can "give" you freedom, you have to fight for it. I know the situation was different in Kosova due to the Serb occupation but in the South we fought the Italians. Maybe to some living under occupation is better but to each his own.
Plako wrote:Dakort asnje pike dhe presje nuk i heq nga ato qe the per Italine dhe kuptohet qe s'mund ti ve ne nje rang me Serbine/Greqine. Po gjtihsesi nuk duhet harruar fakti qe ata ishin pushtues. Ne ne Jug nuk i durojme dot çibanet e huaj. I hodhem ne det ne 1920 dhe me 1943
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Italianet ne 1920 iken prej presionit nderkombetar dhe presidentit amerikan. Reagimi per luften e Vlores ishte nga gjithe Shqiperia edhe nga veriu qe aktualisht luftonte kunder serbve e malazezve. Normalisht pushtuesi eshte pushtues e kur u kerkon labeve vajzat per seks sikur silleshin italianet asokohe dhe te lidhesh flamurin kombetar te shqiptarve ne bisht te qenit me 28 nentor merr si pergjigje ate qe kerkon E perseris se ato kishin 30-50 mije ushtare me artileri e fuqi goditese me te madhe po u terhoqen prej presionit te fuqive te medha pasi kerkonin ristabilizimin e kufinjve te 1913.
No invasion can be acceptable within a people that loves freedom. And no invader would put his life at risk for the people he invaded.
Zogu as a king did good things too, and he was the reason Italians invaded Albania with little resistance to non, because of the influence he allowed them to built inside RA.
And as Plako mentioned not all Albanians inside the invaded but larger Albania accepted it. The majority of Albos siding with the winners of ww2 was a very important move. RA maintained its sovereignty it had before the Fascist invasion and I'd say that's quite impressive from a people wasn't as a factor of the region at that time.
Enver Hoxha was politically naive at the begining and we were played by the Yugoslav. It could've went even worse, if Albania would've been included inside the Yugo federation or split by Serbia and Greece.
I agree that one can't put the Nazis and Fascist in the same category with Serbs and Greeks, if looked from the perspective of how things rolled afterwards and where we stand now more than a half century later. Tbh it's even hard to put Greeks and Serbs on the same line after the migration of Albos in the 90s to Greece.
Calling the commies of RA as pushtues is ridiculous though.
vata10 wrote:Enver Hoxha was politically naive at the begining and we were played by the Yugoslav. It could've went even worse, if Albania would've been included inside the Yugo federation or split by Serbia and Greece.
Actually Hoxha was a masterful politician. He was not as influential as he is made out to be after the war. In the South he was not known at all and it was those who fought who carried a lot more weight than him. The Yugoslavs had Koçi Xoxe (interior minister) as their main man in Albania who Hoxha executed in 1949. It took Hoxha until the early 1950s to consolidate his power after liquidating many of his rivals. In many aspects he was masterful politician like Zog.
Under Hoxha for the first time in our history our sovereignty was no longer threatened. I'm the end he did massive damage to the country and the negatives outweigh the positives. A right wing dictatorship would have served us better as the Commies ruined the country economically.
vata10 wrote:Enver Hoxha was politically naive at the begining and we were played by the Yugoslav. It could've went even worse, if Albania would've been included inside the Yugo federation or split by Serbia and Greece.
Actually Hoxha was a masterful politician. He was not as influential as he is made out to be after the war. In the South he was not known at all and it was those who fought who carried a lot more weight than him. The Yugoslavs had Koçi Xoxe (interior minister) as their main man in Albania who Hoxha executed in 1949. It took Hoxha until the early 1950s to consolidate his power after liquidating many of his rivals. In many aspects he was masterful politician like Zog.
Under Hoxha for the first time in our history our sovereignty was no longer threatened. I'm the end he did massive damage to the country and the negatives outweigh the positives. A right wing dictatorship would have served us better as the Commies ruined the country economically.
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Idk about that. Especially if you look at it from a Kosovars standpoint. Word is that Tito was very openmineded to discuss Kosova with Enver Hoxha , but the later was influenced by the Serbs to not claim it as in issue between Albania and the Yugoslavs. He also helped Yugoslavia prevent a possible Kosovar uprising against the Yugoslavs.
After all this loyalty towards the Yugoslavs, he then goes and sides with Stalin vs Tito. To me it just showes that he truly believed in the ideology he followed. While someone like Tito only used it and I think Tito is the synonym for "master politician."
All of this doesn't prove the Commie war against Fascism though, nor prove the Commies better than Ballistet.[/i]
